• Kittara_jaganshi

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA! Epic sarcasm is epic. 🙂 

    • Too much, do you think? XD 

  • Donniii

    Some of the people in my old art class/ high school definately need to learn from this.

    • I think the fact that manga looks easier to make than other kinds of comics is a double-edged sword. 

      On one hand, it has a lower-entry level with many people who become interested in creating their own stories because of it (and hopefully, continue to improve their craft.) On the other, because of this influx there is a blaise attitude to creating really outstanding work because it already conforms to what is out there. 

  • Geoohki

    Was your soul removed to make room for all that sarcasm? Or is it just another service you offer? 😛

    • Haha! Pretty sure it was displaced specifically in service of this post. XD It was meant to be experimental but with no real preface to it, I can imagine it’s put off many people as well. 🙂

  • D Morris82

    Laur, you’re one of my favorites.  What’s funny/sad is you can apply this to any medium.

    • Thanks, Dan. Yeah, people have been mentioning this seems to apply to other fields as well. 

      • D Morris82

        Yeah, I think going to art school and being exposed to the art history classes and switching to graphic design was the best thing that happened to me as a cartoonist.  Being exposed to things like Russian constructivism, early 20th century poster design, and taking a class about 19th century European art really just made me want to think outside the box.  It made me see how limited so many modern cartoonists’ influences really are in the US at least. 

        It scares me this strategy is being applied to sales as well when it comes to comics.  There’s someone trying to bring back this idea of an Alternative comic single which is a great idea.  I miss being able to buy single issue Alternative type comics like Eightball or Palookaville.  One person anthologies that were grounds for a creator to really just experiment. However, what this person is releasing is just bigger versions of mini-comics that are being sold at a handful of stores were people already by those types of comics.  The same can be said about people making manga influenced comics.  I know too many artists that are content with making money at cons instead of you know, trying to make this a living. 

        If we treat our careers and livelihood as hobbies instead of as means of making a living, then we’re not pushing ourselves to do this in ways that are sustainable.

  • First of all, Laur, I have nothing but
    the utmost respect for you as a person and your ambition. It’s very
    inspiring to watch and it’s been a motivator for myself, too.

    I read this when you first posted it
    and it didn’t sit well with me. I didn’t figure out why until now. I
    feel this article, while satirical, is very discouraging to the
    audience you’re trying to build. I understand Polterguys is supposed
    to be targeted to the tweens and above and while I know you’re just
    trying to point out things that can become major problems later in an
    artist’s career, I think it’s a tad too strong for the budding
    artist.

    Comics are catharsis for many young
    adults. I started drawing comics at a very early age to avoid the
    realities of being bed-ridden for most of my life (A very tl;dr
    story, haha). Most of the people I knew then drew comics to escape
    their family and health problems, too. It was fun. Until people
    started telling us our “manga” was trash because we didn’t do it
    the ‘right’ way. We didn’t draw from life, we didn’t follow the
    “rules of art.” Suddenly, I watched several of my friends drop
    out of that world. They gave up. We were 14 and very easily
    discouraged. It was painful to watch and to this day some of them
    regret it. I’m lucky I was stubborn enough to stick with it.

    I guess what I’m trying to say is that
    I think this little article would have benefited from being positive.
    Snark has it’s place, but not on a site that’s trying to set a
    positive example for children and teens. I think my 12-year-old self
    would have walked away from this with the words, “YOU SUCK”
    echoing through my head. I never want young artists to feel the way I
    and my friends did. If they want to grow, they’ll join a life drawing
    class on their own out of sheer frustration with their skills. I know
    I did. 🙂

     

    • I totally appreciate the feedback, Sammi! As a blogger, I’m trying to come up with interesting things to say and this was a draft I’ve been sitting on for a while. I was really on the fence writing and publishing it and since it’s been published, it has been a mixed bag of feelings.  

      Tonally, it really is off from what I have on the rest of the site and it may have been because I’m trying to push myself to write punchier better than I have been this past year. 

      Interestingly enough, this post has prompted more responses than anything I’ve written in the past several months. And very well-articulated, too. I think I’m fine keeping it up as a lesson for myself to remember the goals of this blog, and for the sake of these discussions which I feel are worth keeping.  

  • Just now found this post. I agree with it 100% because I understand how irony works. 

    Anyway, I find there are people who take issue with the tone of the article and, while it’s harsh, that doesn’t mean there isn’t a wealth of advice for a burgeoning young artist.  If you want to be a serious manga artist (or comicker in general), you really do need to vary your media diet. You really do need to practice perspective like it’s religion.  You really do need to learn anatomy, and you really do need to learn visual storytelling.  Just because it doesn’t come with a spoon full of sugar doesn’t make it any less valid. 

    Also, this isn’t an article that’s aimed at hobbyists.  This is aimed at someone who really, genuinely, wants to pursue a career telling sequential stories and doesn’t really know how to go about it.  No one’s telling you not to draw comics for fun, but when it’s time to get serious, there are rules you have to follow to make a career of it.  If that’s honestly too hard to take, then maybe some folks aren’t ready to become full time mangaka/comickers.

    Beyond learning anatomy, perspective, and storytelling, young artists would do well to learn what’s constructive and destructive criticism, and when to listen to either.

    • Hi, Jules! Thanks so much for sharing your thoughts. All excellent points and worth remembering.  

  • I think sarcasm is the best way to tackle this mine-field of ‘how to become a manga artist’ posts! 😀 (and yes, this is actually still relevant now in 2015…)

    Though I agree with Sammi in that, at least in the beginning, a healthy dose of optimism and naivity helps in getting started!

    • Yep! Wow, this post is olllld. Glad it’s still entertaining and yeah, it’s definitely helpful to have a balanced outlook in this field. 🙂

      • I didn’t see the date at first, and was just nodding along, haha.

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